messy notes on Winer-Lakoff podcast

(supposed buddhist gives kid's dog away) thought while waiting for it to load

george lakoff / winer podcast

below the level of consciousness

(yeah, bad meta-what-for)

frames

scenarios

words

doctor benway

a cognitive structure

relating to politics
political actors
24 jack bauer

once i hear the word "survey" my mind starts to glaze over with some martha stewart buttercream frosting.   same with the word "shopping" which i associate with valium, as in: best done when or can only be performed by.

labeler

when obamagirl gets a better vocal sound than dave winer, we really ought to give things a rethink, a reframe. 

moral politics:  why should radical conservatives have a platform that comes together?  what do these things have to do with each other?  why should they fit together in that way?

metaphor

metaphorical thought

quantity and verticality
activation of mixing comes together: meet forming circuit: creating metaphor

governance
earliest experience
linked
families as a metaphor
ideal models

winer exposes his bias ass

he doesn't really listen

bi-conceptuals
strict and nurturing modes of reason

see dick run school of thought

"if they're not disciplined they're not moral and if their not moral they are poor and unsuccessful and therefore deserve it" 

moral authority

protection and empowerment

land that i love

assumption of linear order

winer misses the point

authenticity

v identity

obama as fear antidote

the use of language to trigger neural pathways
emotion

fear pathway

reason:  what is reason? 

cue lumiere

cue the lumiere brothers

empathy deficit

winer doesn't really listen
the kind of guy i wouldn't want to have a free beer with

the operation of thinktanks
pre-framed
notions of rationalism

winer doesn't believe you have to be honest all the time
lakoff does

cognitive policy v material policy

health insurance is not health care

is the surge working?  frame

fear weakens us

con fear mongering

the physiology of language

nlp

language is a virus, indeed

or perhaps more accurately, a neural pathway snowblower

rockridgenation.org

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march 1

ennit? enit? ednit? innit?—"isn't it?"
eh?
ey, eyy, ayy
oh ya huh
uh huh, you say
"Ima bust an arrow in his ass!"

haffer

He's a warm and gregarious man who runs a successful children's underwear company on the East Coast.

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Lakoff goes off into Alice Miller land while Winer reveals more than he probably wants to (or realises) about his childhood.  filling in some blanks for me why he is such a sexist creep (IMO)

but what do I know?

laughs at the obvious

Lakoff's bottle metaphor is flawed at best as fp notes

i am surprised at how simpleminded Winer is

he cuts Lakoff off citing "people's short attention span"

then proceeds to turn it into all about Dave show by the end

Comments

[bmobmobmo]

I have tried on several occasions to listen to that podcast. But I keep wandering from the room.

[madame l]

nah, not me. it's got everything. i like listening to lakoff - doc speaks so highly of him that i had to hear what he sounded like. i felt that he was very patient with winer (no relation) who is a real asshole who does not listen. he may be good at inventing rss but he's creepy. i am not the best person socially but he makes me look like princess diana working the room.

it's my "american idol", this shite, love it. spent last two nights listening to live feed from freedom to connect, but i was too busy trying to make people laugh on the back channel to take notes. clay shirky was fucking great. frank was there and described his footware to me in great detail.

[fp]

If you run into Tree Shapiro, let him know that I got Shirky to autograph a copy of that book for him. I'll send it your way for the hand-off. May have some food stains in it. I'm reading it over lunch and dinner as time and solitude permit.

[bmobmobmo]

i keep trying desperately to read or in this case listen to lakoff and i know doc and others are huge fans but it just always strikes me - this framing - as nonsense. all about being a better rhetorician. it's not that it's wrong, it's just that it's wrong.