Messy Notes on GG Decentralising Twitter
on decentralising twitter
dave and marc
we got us a shituation
building apps on top of a platform
marc's concerned that it's provided by one vendor
his fear is that it will be sold to a bigger nazi like business as usual dot com(m)a
marc cares
winer blocked gillmor
sent a statement email to sg
arrington name carpet bombed -> chris talking re: twitter (yoyodyne laughing)
shills for his own co - typical (english accent-ish guy)
maybe australian - me and my team - asshat for sure
sms gateway, real time component, rss to xmpp bridge
ping ping ping pong
(i feel like playing pong)
bob lee: engineer at google, author of trouble
twitter api
(note: remember to offer yoo-hoo to ganesh)
google gtalk gateway
should rss be a transport method?
dave's just biting off a small piece....
mark says not at all re: winer not looking at the whole
chris states the obvious, boringly, twirling like billy eliot
gee, thanks chris
bob lee's vox is too low in tone to hear, this is Not a recording problem, the guy should have been with the temptations and shit
gillmor postures that dave is suggesting another centralised server that's basically the samo samo, 'cept he controls it (winer)
backup/ problem or not
one piece at a time says marc (heh, as if)
defends winer's small slice of backup
multiple paths
the desire to centralise good thing
beyond that, wtf are people controlling
robert anderson likes backup but has issues with twitter being down often
gillmor likes twirl and thinks they might overtake gtalk in providing more functionality, esp tracking
(i stop to roll a cigarette - live in europe you fucks- and think: if i smoked weed i'd definitely get it from canter if he wasn't such an arrogant fucker. i wrote him an email once, but he's apparently too important to answer. but berners-lee corresponds with me no problem. food for thought mobsters. ayn farkuckt kleinigkeit canter. i bet you can't even sing with a vowel change. schmuck.)
my blog log canter
blogrolls
soc.nets replacing blogroll
twitter next stage
anderson should listen to himself twice for once
he's such a shiller
id
feedburner counts with id info
he thinks this would be decentralised
list of friends tracked by whatever is tracking your rss
aggravator does it
changing the system v
doc is there
xmpp makes him happy
doesn't want to see anything that anybody does sitting in somebody's silo
doc suggests a name for that, which is not controlled by one brand: "140ing".
gillmor says it's called: "fantasy"
(man gave names to the animals)
doc thinks it would be a good idea to bring outlining to blogging
dichotomy between what should be (the way things should work) and the way things work
this proprietary service
twitter has far surpassed its original intent
by far, for gillmor the dominant service on the machine at this point
marc: starts off by kissing doc's ass. fb, for marc, went 98% of the way but fucked it up because when they retained people's data they made it a closed platform
hero of the obvious. i believe a sandwich will one day be named in his honour
difference in opinion between them on the usefulness of soc.nets.
and the reality or unreality of the lock in
twitter created enormous leverage
doc calls them both vendor sports
need to be open
nobody owns search
google might, but it's by default
people aggregate around standards
which is what is happening with twitter right now
the market will decide
market tends to even out the speed humps
no decentralised solution without a control point
absolute science fiction to think otherwise
different control points
steve attacks the world with kumbaya (<--really annoying video alert)
everything's fine?
winer (no relation) seems to xmpp the only one suggesting gateway in sg's HO
enter the contra bass - i feel like i'm on a street corner in 1956 brooklyn with some acapello singers who are tipping their 40s "for the boys upstate" as they swing into a rendition of skylarking or some shite.
(if this is compressed the hell out of i can't begin to imagine what he sounded like to them)
service tied to your open id - add or remove myself - anonymous?
what happens right now with twitter
i follow you but twitter controls
if we decentralise, how do i tell you that i want to subscribe
wrap rss into xmpp....
hang on chris
rss: i can subscribe to it and then receive info
there is an interval
latency involved not interesting
chris suggests push rss. pimps his shite. yeah, he's an aussie.
simply the payload that can be turned into a push mechanism
why can't there be multiple aggregators?
rss atom on and on
real time, delta blues,
google gtalk gateway
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contra bass overloading the engines captain
aussie guy sucks ass
xmpp engine that pings
sounds like a fucking trackback to this dumb old lady
robert: dns, thinking about email, who's in charge ---> comparing it to subscribing to a feed.
steve argues at some point there is a control point
notification and the need to control who can talk to who
i hate the aussie guy
throw him on the blow up barbie doll
dave winer blocked
the politics of blocking
talks about loic, (sorry, but have you fucking seen seesmic? totally sucks large ass. and they let macleod erase his fantastic drunken videos. how you say baseball?)
oh STFU you aussie jumbo shrimp on the BBQ
go shear some other sheep
all this bootstrapping & rss is getting my backup
what is the value of a backup system?
(important imnsho)
(doc is not feeling well; i'm hoping he's getting better)
thinking of a name for canter's sandwich
the intersection of caring and the technology of whether or not it's going to happen
THIS AUSSIE PRICK HAS GOT TO GO.
get bob some helium, stat
wrap up.
mv: how do we add more context? / blunt instrument...
feldman: usual asshat self. stand up sit down. puppet master. rehashes everything everyone else said, adding NO VALUE whatsoever.
p2p, sean fanning -
feldman: stoopid point about aol which his girlfriend/mother probably use
trust, scaling issues, keywords, buzz, puppets, impersonator, fabulous mimic
canter: pokes feldman
feldman: doesn't care about scoble, riiiiiiiggggghhhhhht. fame whore. scoble probably paid for feldman's girlfriend's tits or filled them with product liposuctioned from his own wife. i smell startup.
(see his girlfriend's videos - muff said)
robert anderson: anonymous following and blocking - key
twitter as doorway to enterprise
doc: think more, build business on top of that
horrendous aussie butt plugger
no idea what bob lee is saying. he could join a traveling circus as a vocal curiosity.
real time layer, push ---> aussie backtracks when asked any questions;
who is going to own the server? he can't answer. he can certainly talk about himself though, seemingly endlessly.
who gives one shit about what fudgie scoble thinks. i hate his fucking little boy coy f'haig pear shaped act.
gillmor wraps it up.
left with the feeling that doc isn't feeling well. disturbing.
just waiting for that show when he has macleod, feldman and scobie all on at the same time. maybe with calacanis. shill to the death match. or maybe a show with ponzi, maryam, tara baby and feldman's girlfriend and some of those blogher freaks. the human condition frightens me. this skin.
how about chris locke, shelley powers, tim berners-lee and esther dyson with doc and lakoff or rangaswami? c'mon steve, mix it up.
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i will continue to listen.
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